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Post by naill on Feb 16, 2012 7:10:06 GMT -5
Is being an intolerant Christian fundamentalist a learned response? Is it being passed down to the next generation? How did you learn to be intolerant of all that you don't accept,like, appreciate, or understand? You should be able to answer your own question. If CF were the only group that demonstrates intolerance, you might have a valid inquiry. If all CF were intolerant, you may have a valid point. Grouping and making suggestive opinions as fact does little to create any substance for your posts. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 16, 2012 7:35:36 GMT -5
Is being an intolerant Christian fundamentalist a learned response? Is it being passed down to the next generation? How did you learn to be intolerant of all that you don't accept,like, appreciate, or understand? You should be able to answer your own question. Opinion stated as fact. I didn't say CF was the only group demonstrating intolerance. I didn't say all CFs are intolerant. One could be intolerant, Christian, or a fundamentalist, and one could be all or any of the two, or none. I'm talking about being all three. |
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Post by naill on Feb 16, 2012 7:44:57 GMT -5
How did you learn to be intolerant of all that you don't accept,like, appreciate, or understand? You should be able to answer your own question. Opinion stated as fact. I didn't say CF was the only group demonstrating intolerance. I didn't say all CFs are intolerant. One could be intolerant, Christian, or a fundamentalist, and one could be all or any of the two, or none. I'm talking about being all three. What about an intolerant Universalist? The only member here who has demonstrated intolerance recently that I am aware of is a self proclaimed Universalist. How did they learn to be intolerant. They chose to pack up a leave. That action fits the definition of intolerance. No one notices when the liberal mind acts intolerantly. To date, to my surprise, you and the owner have not been intolerant of me nor have I of you. Most would consider me a CF. What is called intolerant is nothing more than being arguementative and no group has a corner on that market. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 16, 2012 7:47:16 GMT -5
Opinion stated as fact. I didn't say CF was the only group demonstrating intolerance. I didn't say all CFs are intolerant. One could be intolerant, Christian, or a fundamentalist, and one could be all or any of the two, or none. I'm talking about being all three. What about an intolerant Universalist? The only member here who has demonstrated intolerance recently that I am aware of is a self proclaimed Universalist. How did they learn to be intolerant. They chose to pack up a leave. That action fits the definition of intolerance. No one notices when the liberal mind acts intolerantly. To date, to my surprise, you and the owner have not been intolerant of me nor have I of you. Most would consider me a CF. What is called intolerant is nothing more than being arguementative and no group has a corner on that market. Interesting how you have personalized this about all of these members, yet you haven't answered one question I posed about intolerant Christian fundamentalists. |
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Post by Rhapsody on Feb 16, 2012 8:04:26 GMT -5
The only member here who has demonstrated intolerance recently that I am aware of is a self proclaimed Universalist. How did they learn to be intolerant. They chose to pack up a leave. That action fits the definition of intolerance. No one notices when the liberal mind acts intolerantly. is not intolerance. More likely, it's a response to frustration, and a desire not to be pushed into saying things he feels are mean. I know a number of people with the strength to take a step back rather than to continue be confrontational all the time. It's not a bad coping mechanism. I hope he will come back here when he feels like it. I would welcome him. Intolerance (to me) is a response by someone who is not secure enough in his/her positions and beliefs to hear anything contrary or oppositional. If you aren't confronted by beliefs that oppose your own, how can you confirm and affirm what is true and right for you? It's just not always an easy and pleasant process. |
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Post by naill on Feb 16, 2012 8:28:39 GMT -5
Packing up and leaving is not intolerance. More likely, it's a response to frustration, and a desire not to be pushed into saying things he feels are mean. I know a number of people with the strength to take a step back rather than to continue be confrontational all the time. It's not a bad coping mechanism. I hope he will come back here when he feels like it. I would welcome him. Yes it is Rhapsody. What the member did was to say that he could no longer tolerate this forum. Perhaps it was for his own good, but none the less, he is gone for now. I hope he comes back soon, but he will be met with the same type of discussion unless you get rid of those who have a different religious opinon and theology. Intolerance (to me) is a response by someone who is not secure enough in his/her positions and beliefs to hear anything contrary or oppositional. If you aren't confronted by beliefs that oppose your own, how can you confirm and affirm what is true and right for you? It's just not always an easy and pleasant process. Words have accepted definitions. When Todd calls Linda an idiot, he means she in not intelligent. That's what makes it insulting. She is not intellegent, but Todd apparent thinks that idiot means someone who does not see life as he does. He is not being intolerant, but just a PITA. If intolerance were defined as above, I would have to consider you intolerant. To me you consistantly jump to conclusions which arming yourself with enough information to know. I don't think you are insecure, but you perhaps are pre-conditioned. However, the only test for tolerance, since you are the owner of the forum, is for you to cancel my membership which you have not done. |
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Post by naill on Feb 16, 2012 8:30:50 GMT -5
Interesting how you have personalized this about all of these members, yet you haven't answered one question I posed about intolerant Christian fundamentalists. The thread was about medication. Why did you chose the troll about CF? That's even more interesting, Todd. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 16, 2012 8:51:27 GMT -5
Packing up and leaving is not intolerance. More likely, it's a response to frustration, and a desire not to be pushed into saying things he feels are mean. I know a number of people with the strength to take a step back rather than to continue be confrontational all the time. It's not a bad coping mechanism. I hope he will come back here when he feels like it. I would welcome him. Yes it is Rhapsody. What the member did was to say that he could no longer tolerate this forum. Perhaps it was for his own good, but none the less, he is gone for now. I hope he comes back soon, but he will be met with the same type of discussion unless you get rid of those who have a different religious opinon and theology. This is where you are sooooo wrong. He was here because he enjoyed talking with those holding different religious opinions and theology. He left because of the attitude and treatment, but not the difference of opinion. You are dishonestly putting words in my mouth. Please stop. Banning you isn't the only test of tolerance/intolerance. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 16, 2012 8:55:04 GMT -5
Grouping and making suggestive opinions as fact does little to create any substance for your posts. I wanted to come back to this (above), because it underscores exactly why I rephrased your original post (below) with different terms. Your original post: Is taking medications to control anxiety, depression, and other mental conditions a learned response? Is medication being passed down to the next generation? Do some learn to control their thoughts by taking medications instead of learning to control their thoughts with other means? Why would someone fabulously wealthy, talented, and adored need medications unless those medications had been introduced to them as the preferred method instead of dealing with the mental problems in other ways? I am always surprised to learn of the number of children and adults who take prescription medications to control mental conditions. When we meet people on the street, how do we know it is really them and not them on medication? |
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Post by thedude on Feb 16, 2012 8:55:59 GMT -5
Interesting how you have personalized this about all of these members, yet you haven't answered one question I posed about intolerant Christian fundamentalists. The thread was about medication. Why did you chose the troll about CF? That's even more interesting, Todd. Because your OP was a troll about using medication. |
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Post by Rhapsody on Feb 16, 2012 9:07:48 GMT -5
If intolerance were defined as above, I would have to consider you intolerant. To me you consistantly jump to conclusions which arming yourself with enough information to know. I don't think you are insecure, but you perhaps are pre-conditioned. However, the only test for tolerance, since you are the owner of the forum, is for you to cancel my membership which you have not done. You can consider me any way you want. You haven't a clue who I am...you only see glimpses through words on a discussion forum. That is true for all of us here. You haven't a clue of the combination of information and experiences with which I arm myself in discussions. I assume they are vastly different from yours, because we seem to be miles apart in our thinking processes. You tend to read my posts as being angry and emotive, when those two emotions are not usually behind what I write. I don't know if that's an expectation on your part because I am the site Admin, or if you are tagging me with stereotypical feminine traits. I'm not likely to cancel anyone's membership here, without a consensus from the membership. Nor will I edit or delete posts because I disagree with them. (I'm considering not allowing members to edit/delete posts, too, but I haven't talked to Tod about it---and I would poll the membership first.) Nor will I communicate with you via PM anything I would not say publicly, on the forum. |
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Post by Holy Schist on Feb 16, 2012 10:06:10 GMT -5
Do you think that Whitney Houston learned/excepeted to use medication to live life and do you think she passed that along to her daughter? Not that pharmacology cannot be a useful tool, but are we a society that is taking a dangous path? What if performers had the same drug restrictions as other professions. Would WH be alive. I know there is no way to say, but it make me wonder. I think how genes or maybe what some would say is god wired her daughter will determine more than anything else but discipline can certainly help one manage their wiring. I know that well. On the whole pharmacology helps. What's your suggested path if not? The guy I mentioned earlier would probably be back in the mental hospital or in jail instead of farming if he stopped his drugs that help with mental illness. I'd have a chance of being dead or in hospital often if I stopped what corrected my congenital defect. I'm not going to speculate if WH would be alive but the sort of drug restrictions hasn't stopped athletes from killing themselves and others. It seems like you live where all lines are drawn firm in the sand and if your own wiring moves you to one side you have a hard time accepting of tolerating what's on the other side of that line. I also wonder how much acceptance you have for others in real life. I have my ways but have equal care and concern for my fundamentalist friends as others. Part of my feeling so rich is I'm in a family where a party will often have our conservative Christian Republican friends mixed with our friend who's a gay black man in the Obama administration. That's really a chuckle when the former has no idea about the latter. |
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Post by gojira on Feb 16, 2012 14:14:04 GMT -5
This is Kal-El. I contemplated whether or not to respond to this or not. My words are often misconstrued so I am not too hopeful that what I am about to say will not be further misconstrued.
The reason I left was basically to maintain good mental health and self-care. I do rather enjoy discussing these topics but only in an atmosphere or respect and civility. I have worked hard to remain civil yet I often fail. Also, it is very difficult to communicate in this medium because so many nuances of communication are missing. I think that is how misunderstandings occur.
It is not the differences in opinions that bother me. It is the incivility toward members that bothers me. I have been receptive of incivility, I have witnessed members being uncivil with one another and I have been uncivil toward other members here. I don't like any of that. I don't want to witness people being unkind and unfriendly toward one another, I do not like it when people are uncivil and unkind to me, and I certainly do not like myself when I am uncivil toward people on this board. That is not the way I want to be in the world.
The Buddha says “In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.” To me to be self-seeking and having an attitude that I am always right is the path of the ego and an antithesis to the spiritual journey.
I have learned that Humility is needed on the spiritual journey and it is hard to have Humility if I am on the internet arguing with people how right I am with anger and hostility.
So I had to decide which is more important to me, my spiritual walk and mental health and well being or satisfying my ego in angry debates?
I really have been taking a look at what I am doing with my life. I will not live forever in this physical body so I want to make it count and do things that are meaningful and that connects me to people, not dividing people in anger and incivility.
I am so weary of the black and white cultural war between Conservative and Liberal religious and political views. I don't want to put people in a box with labels. I want to see people in their humanity and complexity and know them and connect with them at a heart level. In other words, emotional intimacy. Emotional intimacy, kindness, love and compassion cannot exist when I label people.
A good Buddhist quote on that. “In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then beleive them to be true. “
I am rambling on enough. I do wish you all peace and I know I cannot change another soul but myself but I do hope that my words can make a little difference and maybe people on this forum can learn to be Nice toward one another.
“It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways. “
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Post by herbhunter on Feb 16, 2012 15:00:33 GMT -5
This is Kal-El. I contemplated whether or not to respond to this or not. My words are often misconstrued so I am not too hopeful that what I am about to say will not be further misconstrued. It is good to keep in mind that your prose are only ever misconstrued by very few individuals among us. I hope you will choose to participate in discussions after a beneficial hiatus. |
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Post by gojira on Feb 16, 2012 15:08:07 GMT -5
This is Kal-El. I contemplated whether or not to respond to this or not. My words are often misconstrued so I am not too hopeful that what I am about to say will not be further misconstrued. It is good to keep in mind that your prose are only ever misconstrued by very few individuals among us. I hope you will choose to participate in discussions after a beneficial hiatus. + Thanks Herb You are correct not everyone misconstrues what I say. I will take a break, a rest, and come back when I feel more refreshed. |
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