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Post by donalgdon on Jun 3, 2012 20:29:07 GMT -5
I do think there's something to that, in the sense that legacy support built into the kernel has always been something MS has tried to do. I'd actually prefer if they just made a clean break with the past and really just blazed a new trail like Apple did when they transitioned from 680xx Macs to PowerPC to Intel chips. You can't run any legacy stuff on a new MacOS system. Tough. Get used to it, but it works better that way.
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Post by sordello on Jun 3, 2012 21:03:43 GMT -5
I do think there's something to that, in the sense that legacy support built into the kernel has always been something MS has tried to do. I'd actually prefer if they just made a clean break with the past and really just blazed a new trail like Apple did when they transitioned from 680xx Macs to PowerPC to Intel chips. You can't run any legacy stuff on a new MacOS system. Tough. Get used to it, but it works better that way. MS and "legacy" attitudes could be a separate chapter in any updated version of "Master Switch". "How companies stall themselves out of innovation".
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Post by Holy Schist on Jun 3, 2012 21:37:49 GMT -5
I do think there's something to that, in the sense that legacy support built into the kernel has always been something MS has tried to do. I'd actually prefer if they just made a clean break with the past and really just blazed a new trail like Apple did when they transitioned from 680xx Macs to PowerPC to Intel chips. You can't run any legacy stuff on a new MacOS system. Tough. Get used to it, but it works better that way. MS and "legacy" attitudes could be a separate chapter in any updated version of "Master Switch". "How companies stall themselves out of innovation". There's a lot of equipment and application that doesn't need anything but a serial port and a few k of memory. There's good 20 year old software just like there are good 20 year old guitars or bicycles. You might also want to consider what powers computing even as we go to solid state mobile devices because they're just clients in most cases. That's Intel architecture for the most part. A low PE ratio, dividend, cash flow, products in the pipeline, doesn't look like such a bad company. www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT
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Post by thedude on Jun 4, 2012 8:19:04 GMT -5
I do think there's something to that, in the sense that legacy support built into the kernel has always been something MS has tried to do. I'd actually prefer if they just made a clean break with the past and really just blazed a new trail like Apple did when they transitioned from 680xx Macs to PowerPC to Intel chips. You can't run any legacy stuff on a new MacOS system. Tough. Get used to it, but it works better that way. MS and "legacy" attitudes could be a separate chapter in any updated version of "Master Switch". "How companies stall themselves out of innovation". Apple is going to stall itself right out of the cell phone market if it doesn't get 4G implemented real soon. I love my iPhone, but I'm really getting tired of the variable internet access. Also, remember that I live in an area not known for poor internet access. Some bigger markets have much bigger problems and only hard core diehards are going to stick with Apple no matter what as cheaper and faster alternatives become more and more available.
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Post by Holy Schist on Jun 4, 2012 9:03:54 GMT -5
MS and "legacy" attitudes could be a separate chapter in any updated version of "Master Switch". "How companies stall themselves out of innovation". Apple is going to stall itself right out of the cell phone market if it doesn't get 4G implemented real soon. I love my iPhone, but I'm really getting tired of the variable internet access. Also, remember that I live in an area not known for poor internet access. Some bigger markets have much bigger problems and only hard core diehards are going to stick with Apple no matter what as cheaper and faster alternatives become more and more available. I'm not so sure about that. We have users who moved from 4G phones and to different carriers, some of them to or back to iPhones. It seems that they ultimately want a product that works well and can really be wireless. The big 4G complaint is the battery life. New chipsets, voice going over the IP neworks and more phones with pouch battery cels instead of removable batteries will be steps toward that. A good example of the power problem is how the new iPad got a bit thicker to accommodate more battery. That's also illustrated with the two sizes of MacBook Air where the larger chassis 13 has longer battery life even though it has more screen and CPU to power. I don't know your carrier but I moved some out of contract AT&T users to Verizon and their satisfaction went back up and it included satisfaction for voice service as well as data. They are fine with giving up the data and voice at same time for better working scenario and will use WiFi to get data and voice at same time when they can.
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Post by thedude on Jun 4, 2012 9:53:49 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with my voice service, it's just the data that is spotty. Not sure if Verizon would be any better around here or not, but I'm not interested in leaving ATT because I'm still under contract for quite awhile, and because I have an older plan (no longer offered) with unlimited data.
As far as battery life goes, users like me who are at home or in an office quite a bit would likely trade some battery life for better data performance. I currently only need to charge my phone every 2nd or 3rd day (even though I do it more often). I know some people are on the road all day and need long battery life, but if it comes down to battery vs. performance, my guess is that performance would be the smarter choice for a product maker since batteries keep improving anyway.
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Post by Holy Schist on Jun 4, 2012 11:40:07 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with my voice service, it's just the data that is spotty. Not sure if Verizon would be any better around here or not, but I'm not interested in leaving ATT because I'm still under contract for quite awhile, and because I have an older plan (no longer offered) with unlimited data. As far as battery life goes, users like me who are at home or in an office quite a bit would likely trade some battery life for better data performance. I currently only need to charge my phone every 2nd or 3rd day (even though I do it more often). I know some people are on the road all day and need long battery life, but if it comes down to battery vs. performance, my guess is that performance would be the smarter choice for a product maker since batteries keep improving anyway. You need to look at ATT detailed data map. The high level shows coverage all over but in detail you often find you do not have higher data rate in same place another carrier does. Battery improvement is well behind the rest and the best we have now is the pouch form to get more withing the phone you hold. An electrician I know is a good example of what I described. His 4G HTC phone was swapped for iPhone because it's too mobile and busy to recharge in the day and a significant consumer of voice and data. He like me gets one day from a charge with his iPhone and didn't even get one day with his current 4G phone.
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Post by donalgdon on Jun 4, 2012 11:56:39 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with my voice service, it's just the data that is spotty. Not sure if Verizon would be any better around here or not, but I'm not interested in leaving ATT because I'm still under contract for quite awhile, and because I have an older plan (no longer offered) with unlimited data. As far as battery life goes, users like me who are at home or in an office quite a bit would likely trade some battery life for better data performance. I currently only need to charge my phone every 2nd or 3rd day (even though I do it more often). I know some people are on the road all day and need long battery life, but if it comes down to battery vs. performance, my guess is that performance would be the smarter choice for a product maker since batteries keep improving anyway. Processing power in mobile devices has has increased 1,000 fold, but in the same time period, battery power has increased only 3 fold. The gap is huge, and it's not likely to catch up any time soon.
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Post by thedude on Jun 4, 2012 13:31:24 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with my voice service, it's just the data that is spotty. Not sure if Verizon would be any better around here or not, but I'm not interested in leaving ATT because I'm still under contract for quite awhile, and because I have an older plan (no longer offered) with unlimited data. As far as battery life goes, users like me who are at home or in an office quite a bit would likely trade some battery life for better data performance. I currently only need to charge my phone every 2nd or 3rd day (even though I do it more often). I know some people are on the road all day and need long battery life, but if it comes down to battery vs. performance, my guess is that performance would be the smarter choice for a product maker since batteries keep improving anyway. Processing power in mobile devices has has increased 1,000 fold, but in the same time period, battery power has increased only 3 fold. The gap is huge, and it's not likely to catch up any time soon. They seem to have gotten smaller in size as well, which doesn't help. Also, not just processing, but much nicer screens, in color, touch, etc. My guess is that the batteries are much, much better than they were years ago, but just don't seem like it because of the demands placed on them.
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Post by thedude on Jun 4, 2012 13:32:12 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with my voice service, it's just the data that is spotty. Not sure if Verizon would be any better around here or not, but I'm not interested in leaving ATT because I'm still under contract for quite awhile, and because I have an older plan (no longer offered) with unlimited data. As far as battery life goes, users like me who are at home or in an office quite a bit would likely trade some battery life for better data performance. I currently only need to charge my phone every 2nd or 3rd day (even though I do it more often). I know some people are on the road all day and need long battery life, but if it comes down to battery vs. performance, my guess is that performance would be the smarter choice for a product maker since batteries keep improving anyway. You need to look at ATT detailed data map. The high level shows coverage all over but in detail you often find you do not have higher data rate in same place another carrier does. Battery improvement is well behind the rest and the best we have now is the pouch form to get more withing the phone you hold. An electrician I know is a good example of what I described. His 4G HTC phone was swapped for iPhone because it's too mobile and busy to recharge in the day and a significant consumer of voice and data. He like me gets one day from a charge with his iPhone and didn't even get one day with his current 4G phone. Yes, I realize there are people who work out of an office all day. That's why specifically talked about those who don't.
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Post by Holy Schist on Jun 4, 2012 14:14:28 GMT -5
You need to look at ATT detailed data map. The high level shows coverage all over but in detail you often find you do not have higher data rate in same place another carrier does. Battery improvement is well behind the rest and the best we have now is the pouch form to get more withing the phone you hold. An electrician I know is a good example of what I described. His 4G HTC phone was swapped for iPhone because it's too mobile and busy to recharge in the day and a significant consumer of voice and data. He like me gets one day from a charge with his iPhone and didn't even get one day with his current 4G phone. Yes, I realize there are people who work out of an office all day. That's why specifically talked about those who don't. Realistically, it is your network and where you are on it more than your phone. A radio that just does the 4G is the love or hate for those phones. Love if you have coverage and can keep it charged.
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Post by thedude on Jun 4, 2012 14:32:59 GMT -5
Yes, I realize there are people who work out of an office all day. That's why specifically talked about those who don't. Realistically, it is your network and where you are on it more than your phone. A radio that just does the 4G is the love or hate for those phones. Love if you have coverage and can keep it charged. I guess it could be "cold" spots or something, but it happens often with a medium to highest signal.
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Post by sordello on Jun 4, 2012 19:02:59 GMT -5
MS and "legacy" attitudes could be a separate chapter in any updated version of "Master Switch". "How companies stall themselves out of innovation". There's a lot of equipment and application that doesn't need anything but a serial port and a few k of memory. There's good 20 year old software just like there are good 20 year old guitars or bicycles. You might also want to consider what powers computing even as we go to solid state mobile devices because they're just clients in most cases. That's Intel architecture for the most part. A low PE ratio, dividend, cash flow, products in the pipeline, doesn't look like such a bad company. www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFTOh yes. Microsoft is a solid company... but its share price has levelled out for the last 12 years... uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=... not necessarily bad in any other company in any other industry. But this is the computer technology sector: has innovation levelled out? The share value for MS for the last 12 years speaks volumes about their management and their capacity to 'innovate'. Their industry sector has far from levelled out, so why have they? Is "legacy" holding them back? Is MS getting just a tad.... fat and lazy and sluggish while the young kids are whizzing past them? Would you invest heavily in them anymore or would you expect a straight line for yet another 12 years... or maybe slow dipping over the medium to long run? {Rhetorical questions of course}
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Post by lindaw on Jun 6, 2012 6:25:08 GMT -5
I use my iPad in board meetings with a portable keyboard to take notes. Right now, I'm using it to watch Storm Chasers :-) So you admit that you pretty much have to transform it INTO a laptop to use it for anything of value! Depends on what you call value. I love to watch TV/Movies on it. I also love to use Flipbook which helps me keep in contact with people I like and their goings-on. I can use it to keep tabs on, and mount it to my music stand. I can read magazines on it and access information in them fast. It makes a great device for a slideshow re: my online shop. Etc, etc, etc. The portability is the selling point for me.
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Post by donalgdon on Jun 7, 2012 11:40:49 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I don't mean that those things you mentioned are not valuable, just that they aren't work tasks, i.e. you aren't producing or editing documents, etc. in those scenarios. I still think that tablets are great, but for me, they are not a production tool without a significantly improved method of data entry.
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