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Post by thedude on Aug 29, 2012 15:43:27 GMT -5
The 2012 Honda CR-V received a good crashworthiness rating by the Insurance Institute For Highway Safety for all the injury categories they assess and would probably fair better in a crash than a sedan compact or mid-size sedan. It also has a good record for reliability, fuel economy and resale value and . And?
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Post by herbhunter on Aug 29, 2012 17:05:07 GMT -5
The 2012 Honda CR-V received a good crashworthiness rating by the Insurance Institute For Highway Safety for all the injury categories they assess and would probably fair better in a crash than a sedan compact or mid-size sedan. It also has a good record for reliability, fuel economy and resale value and . And? I was responding to LindaW's request for car recommendations for her her daughter.
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Post by thedude on Aug 29, 2012 17:06:17 GMT -5
And? I was responding to LindaW's request for car recommendations for her her daughter. I know. Look at the end of the sentence I quoted - you have me wanting more!
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Post by herbhunter on Aug 29, 2012 17:08:53 GMT -5
I was responding to LindaW's request for car recommendations for her her daughter. I know. Look at the end of the sentence I quoted - you have me wanting more! I must have unknowingly deleted the last part before hitting submit. ... and I think the 2007-2011 models received the same rating.
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Post by Holy Schist on Aug 29, 2012 19:13:52 GMT -5
Looking for a good used car for my daughter. Safety records first. Any suggestions? The 2012 Honda CR-V received a good crashworthiness rating by the Insurance Institute For Highway Safety for all the injury categories they assess and would probably fair better in a crash than a sedan compact or mid-size sedan. It also has a good record for reliability, fuel economy and resale value and I think the 2007-2011 models received the same rating. Size and shape don't by default determine crash-worthiness, but I know the CRV is good product. Friends who do bedroom community to city commute have the CRV and Civic it's based on. I don't honestly know their crash-worthiness but chuckle when they say CRV stands for Crappy Road Vehicle when comparing it to the sedan it's based on. They prefer the CRV for dogs, groceries, but like the handling and fuel mileage of the Civic. They own a RAV-4 too which has a powerful V6. It's their favorite but they use the 4 cyl cars for the 80+ miles they both drive. I don't know about Linda's location but the Honda all wheel drive system seems more like a snow day helper. A few I know who have or had it complain that it can be ineffective. In those scenarios it seems like sometimes the VW/Audi is good, Subaru good, and of course real 4x4 with locker or posi. It's unfair to single out Honda here because other systems are also more traction helpers than systems you can depend on. At our ski club the rules for service road are posted 4x4 only and it's often in rain and snow when some get stuck and others not. When I was guiding it was at times really funny or sad to see some of the who makes it and who doesn't scenarios. Some vehicles advertising high ground clearance still had shock hangers that were low and would catch rocks. Some people didn't have lockers or limited slip at one or both ends. If your child has all wheel or 4 wheel drive they need to learn it doesn't guarantee stopping faster and that it can mean different cornering than they're used to. It is a good idea to have your child practice in an empty parking lot or on a frozen lake. Good luck.
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Post by herbhunter on Aug 29, 2012 21:20:19 GMT -5
The 2012 Honda CR-V received a good crashworthiness rating by the Insurance Institute For Highway Safety for all the injury categories they assess and would probably fair better in a crash than a sedan compact or mid-size sedan. It also has a good record for reliability, fuel economy and resale value and I think the 2007-2011 models received the same rating. Size and shape don't by default determine crash-worthiness, but I know the CRV is good product. Since I mentioned the crashworthiness of the CR-V on the basis of test results and not size and shape, I wonder why you felt the need to point out that size and shape aren't determinant factors. The CR-V is heavier than a Civic or Accord (the V6 version not withstanding) and in a collision, all else being equal, the vehicle with the greater mass will fair better. Incidentally, larger vehicles afford more room for crumple zones that absorb kinetic energy that might otherwise be transmitted to the occupants but that assumes the engineers took advantage of the extra room when designing the crumple zones. Unlike Subaru's, all-wheel drive is an option on CR-Vs and Rav4s.
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Post by Holy Schist on Aug 30, 2012 7:19:02 GMT -5
Size and shape don't by default determine crash-worthiness, but I know the CRV is good product. Since I mentioned the crashworthiness of the CR-V on the basis of test results and not size and shape, I wonder why you felt the need to point out that size and shape aren't determinant factors. The CR-V is heavier than a Civic or Accord (the V6 version not withstanding) and in a collision, all else being equal, the vehicle with the greater mass will fair better. Incidentally, larger vehicles afford more room for crumple zones that absorb kinetic energy that might otherwise be transmitted to the occupants but that assumes the engineers took advantage of the extra room when designing the crumple zones. Unlike Subaru's, all-wheel drive is an option on CR-Vs and Rav4s. I didn't put down the CRV and brought that up because we spent a lot of time looking at crash tests and found as an example the Outback we bought my mother in law had a higher rating than the bigger Sienna we own. We looked at pickup trucks (what my father in law was killed in) and and saw smaller vehicles with better ratings. Another concern I had for Linda was her mentioning used vehicles. I have no idea what vintage that means or the budget but know most mid and full-sized sedans have been rated well for safety for a while and it has only been recently that more small vehicles do much better because side air bags and other features are more recent. My other comments were a hope that Linda's daughter and Linda also understand that a heavier vehicle also has significant disadvantages in some circumstances. Finally not all traction systems work the same. Some that are that are great aids in a lot of circumstances can't be counted on in all bad traction circumstances and it is common for that to get some in trouble. As a matter of fact, the CRV was a top contender for my own purchase that may happen today but the Honda dealer is not as close, only offers one way shuttle for service, and my wife (why I'm buying a car) cared less for it than I did. Finally there's the driver and that's why I suggest and thought I did suggest practicing in an parking lot. One other key bit for young drivers is for them to learn to brake before a corner. I have mentioned the 2.5 years I worked at a fortune 500 insurance co headquarters and I had fun with my inner nerd there looking at why insurance can cost more. The driver was a BIG factor. We as parents or remembering our youth have to hope the kids are the same selves and hopefully gone ones when they start driving. P.S. Don't laugh too hard but I was up debating with self whether or not I should spend more for the camera-based safety system because Linda's post reminded me that my daughter will be driving whatever I buy today or tomorrow.
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Post by Holy Schist on Aug 30, 2012 21:35:55 GMT -5
Well, too late now unless I want to give up $575. 1 PM tomorrow ends 37 years of manual transmissions and 28 years of white cars.
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 8, 2012 9:54:18 GMT -5
Well on day 8 I can say I'm used to the automatic transmission but I have not figured out all the electronics even though I'm a systems engineer usually neck deep in complex systems. I have also not figured out how to open the garage door with it.
Satellite radio is interesting but not so that I plan on paying when the trial runs out. I can load my phone with plenty of talk, news and music as well as stream from the phone. It's a shame the car companies are tied to satellite and don't just have a screen that mirrors your smart phone.
The "EyeSight" safety system and adaptive cruise control are interesting. The adaptive cruise control puts the engine revs lower than I can without and bumps up the mileage up. Using the paddle shifters can sort of do same but will go back to automatic if revs drop low.
The first time EyeSight worked was freaky. Somebody cut in front of me in traffic and it put the brakes on a moment before I did. It braked just as my foot was touching the pedal.
It was my wife who wanted the high end electronics and safety system - a big surprise because she's usually so slow to spend a dime but she also bought 1/2 the car for me in the name of safety.
Some are still calling me a fool for choosing 4 cyl over 6 but the fuel savings and reduced pollution are significant. It roughly translates to a nice coffee for one frequent work trip or a post-ride beer for a frequent mountain biking trip.
One for The Dude: I broke down and got a 1 Up hitch rack. The awesomeness is not fully apparent until you actually touch and use this bike rack.
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Post by thedude on Sept 8, 2012 13:30:57 GMT -5
Regarding going from manual to auto transmission, I still often drive with my hand on the (auto) gear shift out of habit.
I have satellite radio (Sirrius) and have mixed feelings about it. I usually like listening to news or ESPN, etc. The commercials really are annoying, especially since they seem to be directed towards truckers. That's one reason I tend to like NPR because they don't break as often for commercials. They have their own unnecessary breaks that are also annoying, but that's a different topic. I don't usually listen to the Sirrius music stations. Not sure why. Maybe because I just go to my iPod when I want music.
I don't have that kind of eye sight safety mechanism. Just a backup camera and some kind of radar system that beeps if I get within a few feet of something. The beeping can be useful, but it stupidly beeps if something is close to my FRONT bumper with car in reverse. That happens sometimes when backing out of a tight parking lot, etc., so not sure what the engineers were thinking.
Glad you got the bike rack, but I'm not sure what you mean by 1 Up.
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 8, 2012 15:07:40 GMT -5
Regarding going from manual to auto transmission, I still often drive with my hand on the (auto) gear shift out of habit. I have satellite radio (Sirrius) and have mixed feelings about it. I usually like listening to news or ESPN, etc. The commercials really are annoying, especially since they seem to be directed towards truckers. That's one reason I tend to like NPR because they don't break as often for commercials. They have their own unnecessary breaks that are also annoying, but that's a different topic. I don't usually listen to the Sirrius music stations. Not sure why. Maybe because I just go to my iPod when I want music. I don't have that kind of eye sight safety mechanism. Just a backup camera and some kind of radar system that beeps if I get within a few feet of something. The beeping can be useful, but it stupidly beeps if something is close to my FRONT bumper with car in reverse. That happens sometimes when backing out of a tight parking lot, etc., so not sure what the engineers were thinking. Glad you got the bike rack, but I'm not sure what you mean by 1 Up. It seems like some bike gear heads know of 1 Up for the rack and super high quality trainers. 1 Up is a small firm making a most impressive bike rack. I am not sure their site does the product justice. All AL or stainless steel, modular, quick release, solid, fits about any bike, works with both size receivers. When not used and folded I can still open the hatch. Quickly goes from 1 to 4 bike capacity. Bikes stack to be out of each other's way and the stacking gives you more clearance when you back up. Finally, the 1 Up carrier segments fold together so you can store them like extra long shoe boxes instead of a big long rack. www.1upusa.com/bicycleracks.htmlwww.1upusa.com/photos.htmlIt seems any biker who appreciates quality and superb engineering wants the 1 Up once they use, see or touch it. I'm told the camera-based system with its control panel can be less confusing that when the radar types beep but don't know. I didn't plan on getting it. My wife wanted it because it also meant the large nav screen and better version of hands off the telephone. It seems some of the fidelity of the satellite radio is not so great but same for Bluetooth vs USB connection to the phone. The traffic via satellite seems really lame. It's limited to a set of metro areas. That's stupid considering you can have terrible backups far from major cities and your smart phone apps show that. I might not be grabbing the shift lever because the CVT is different and manual shifts are with paddles on steering wheel. I don't spend too much time touching a stick either. I had a front blow out long ago and it was a lesson most haven't had to learn why one should always be driving with two hands on the wheel.
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Post by thedude on Sept 8, 2012 15:23:17 GMT -5
Nice bike rack. My Yakima rack works essentially like the roof rack and I have had 3 bikes back there and could probably fit 4. It's a good system and super sturdy.
I also meant to comment that I agree it would great if a car could somehow mirror what's on a smart phone. My iPhone navigation system is much better than my car's, as is the contact manager and music interface. Seems like they could just drop an iPad (or something to that effect) in there that could sync up with an iPhone content. Or, better yet, have an iPad that is removable and can be synced at home or in the driveway via wifi. Seems like it would be a lot cheaper as well.
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 8, 2012 16:26:48 GMT -5
Nice bike rack. My Yakima rack works essentially like the roof rack and I have had 3 bikes back there and could probably fit 4. It's a good system and super sturdy. I also meant to comment that I agree it would great if a car could somehow mirror what's on a smart phone. My iPhone navigation system is much better than my car's, as is the contact manager and music interface. Seems like they could just drop an iPad (or something to that effect) in there that could sync up with an iPhone content. Or, better yet, have an iPad that is removable and can be synced at home or in the driveway via wifi. Seems like it would be a lot cheaper as well. I thought I read Tesla or some limited production car was going to or does use an iPad as interface. More reading yielded a liability concern for mirroring your phone to the dash where it could be a distraction. My mother's Buick and my system have limited abilities to edit when you're not in Park. I was ticked off about the lockouts to edit while driving but spent more time with the manual last night - I was daft to the fact that it has more voice control that I was aware of. Funny that I used to read how to service my new vehicles. Now I'm not done with the two books on how to use all the electronics.
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Post by herbhunter on Sept 8, 2012 18:05:50 GMT -5
The Cadillac XTS comes with an iPad loaded with an app that complements the controls of the dashboard touch screen. I think the Hyundai Equis, designed to compete with the Lexus LS460, is the first car to include an iPad. The iPad contains the car's instruction manual. To my knowledge, no other car manufacturer provides an iPad in lieu of a conventional manual.
Edited to correct typographical mistake
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 8, 2012 20:37:23 GMT -5
The Cadillac XTS comes with an iPad loaded with an app that complements the controls of the dashboard touch screen. I think the Hyundai Equis, designed to compete with the Lexus LS460, comes with the first car to include an iPad. The iPad contains the car's instruction manual. To my knowledge, no other car manufacturer provides an iPad in lieu of a conventional manual. I was pretty sure the iPad is a thin client for the Cadillac's dash system and it's not the dash as display for just any Apple mobile content. Some reading I did gave me the impression a third party product would lead because of the liability issue. Unless it has changed, the car makers don't want legal action over the software they didn't approve. I recall products like the Oxygen Audio where your iphone is the display, and I think Rosen Entertainment models might display iPhone video and are better than some OEM systems. While not displaying my apps, I am satisfied with the improvements brought to what I have. It displays the phone features (not apps) better than several I've seen, and the navigation system is better than several I've seen in cars from recent years. The new units have a SD card instead of DVD to program them. It meets my wife's concerns for safety and I'm not complaining that she bought it. It is also probably safe to say the car makers want a system that's a good client for more than Apple mobile.
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