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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 16:34:29 GMT -5
No I didn't, I said, "professional or specialized knowledge in a particular subject. Herb, your whole point was in defense of Tod and Bill stating their degrees and why. Please! We are not laymen in our fields.
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Post by herbhunter on Nov 26, 2012 16:37:59 GMT -5
No I didn't, I said, "professional or specialized knowledge in a particular subject. Herb, your whole point was in defense of Tod and Bill stating their degrees and why. Please! No, my point was that neither of them expected "automatic acceptance" of their views for having mentioned their formal education. Only that and nothing more. Your post #35 had nothing to do with that or the contents of my post #25 which you quoted.
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Post by sordello on Nov 26, 2012 18:17:10 GMT -5
Herb, your whole point was in defense of Tod and Bill stating their degrees and why. Please! We are not laymen in our fields. The key is determining what the fields are, and in issues that have come up in this forum, there is really no "Evolution Theory field" that I am aware of, so to use astrophysics credentials to claim authority in auto maintenance and repair is as irrelevant as a degree in biology to make claims in the field of Evolution. yet some still persist that a person who has credentialed expertise in cellular and enzyme study can speak with authority on how species hypothetically morphed 2 billion years ago.
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Post by sordello on Nov 26, 2012 18:21:43 GMT -5
I expected this response from Herb. He has used a similar response before. Essentially, he will attempt to show that what he said actually agrees with information that had been posted to counter his argument. He did this in the abortion discussion. He stated that science had not been able to determine when human life begins. I posted the work of experts who stated clearly that the DNA of the individual is present in the fertilized egg. His response was that this did not disagree with what he had said. When I first arrived here, Sordello was in the accepted rat pack of Tod, Herb, and Bill. After he began to disagree with them , he fell from grace. No one has been more mistreated than Don. He was called everything but a white man, but no one took issue. It was noticeable that Herb and Bill never said a word. The only time Herb took issue is if I or someone he does not agree with used a slang word. Then he was quick with judgment. The two members who have used the most vulgar language is Tod and Bill. Why doesn't Herb have anything to say? I think we know. He is being dishonest. The members that I enjoy discussing with here the most are those who often disagree with me. They never call me names or suggest that I am not being nice. They focus on the topic and if we misunderstand each other we have the capacity to say "I'm sorry". The anger and intolerance of the liberal non religious community here is humorous. I think they want to be thought of as loving, tolerant, understanding and progressive. They are anything but! And, it's always, but always those that disagree with them who are angry and not nice. The interesting thing is that while Sord and I disagree, I rather like the guy! Can't help it, sorry Sord "Well, there you go again.." I'll just have to learn to live with that. It will take a great deal of work and effort, but for your sake I will try." Sometime down the road we will march together, fists in the air, singing "Power to the People!"
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Post by lindaw on Nov 26, 2012 19:29:08 GMT -5
Herb, your whole point was in defense of Tod and Bill stating their degrees and why. Please! No, my point was that neither of them expected "automatic acceptance" of their views for having mentioned their formal education. Only that and nothing more. Your post #35 had nothing to do with that or the contents of my post #25 which you quoted. Then why bring up the layman issue at all?
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Post by thedude on Nov 28, 2012 7:35:48 GMT -5
For any visitors coming to this sub-Forum that is open to the public, the Wharf is not the terrible place made out to be. A Forum is made up of people, and a Forum's character is determined by its members. The posts here are generally tame. There are all sorts of personalities here, and sometimes it gets rough, and hot, and stridently opinionated, but it cools down and people do get along. A very few times it has degraded badly, but the Wharf comes back up to civility again. That's life in the world of free speech. I know of no member here who can truly be labelled despicable, or disgusting, or evil or anything else similar. We get hot... we cool down; that is all. I don't believe you would find any genuine hatred in this place. Heat, yes; hate, no. (I will let others tell me if I am wrong.) Even the OP's opinion, I believe, is more about particular events in some threads, not really about the Forum itself, but I might be wrong of course. As was mentioned before, Norm was a kind-hearted soul who created this Forum for open and free discussion. I'm sure it would sadden him to see a thread entitled "THIS PLACE SUX!!" here and I am hoping, in time, this thread may entirely disappear at the request of the thread-starter of course, as this place, to its very great credit! does not engage in censorship. (Speaking of personalities, any viewers of this thread should take note that 'zenmaster', 'satan', and 'William' are the one and same member. There are other aliases also. The opinion of the OP is not shared by others, only by other aliases of the same person. I believe that really does need mentioning here in this context.) I've only read most of the posts on the first page. Pretty much agree with Robert here. One of the main problems with our discussions (and on other forums) is that all of us tend to slip from the perspective of offering an opinion to declaring that our opinion is correct and others are wrong, and then getting into fights trying to prove it one way or another. We're all guilty of it to one degree or another. I also think some (or a LOT) of the hostility of late comes from the presidential election results. I voted for Romney, and I'm not happy at all with the outcome. But, that's the way it is in politics and becoming an angry and strident partisan isn't going to do anyone any good while at the same time making the strident partisan look petty and thoughtless.
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Post by frankhs on Nov 28, 2012 9:40:29 GMT -5
For any visitors coming to this sub-Forum that is open to the public, the Wharf is not the terrible place made out to be. A Forum is made up of people, and a Forum's character is determined by its members. The posts here are generally tame. There are all sorts of personalities here, and sometimes it gets rough, and hot, and stridently opinionated, but it cools down and people do get along. But considering the low population of regulars, it's a fairly high rate of heated posting --in itself not a bad thing, but does need to acquire the health inherent in a deeper, wider gene pool. Therefore (apparently) many would-be newbies choose to bypass the whole affair after getting a better taste for the overall rhetorical predictability of the family, who apparently have learned to like each other through the family spats. Perhaps every one of us is equally predictable to someone else, but a bigger population should dillute the effects of that, making everything more interesting. For some, truth (or even just data) is an ongoing quest; for others, they are already arrived, therefore their task is to inform everyone else of their errors, as forcefully as possible. Too needy. Carry on, JMO.
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Post by donalgdon on Nov 28, 2012 9:45:28 GMT -5
It's almost down to a script. We (nearly) always can predict how each member will respond and what sort of posts will elicit a response.
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