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Post by thedude on Sept 10, 2012 17:06:52 GMT -5
If you don't like Apple's products, don't buy them.
I already explained why some people choose to upgrade and why. Stop asking the same questions over and over.
This isn't really that difficult. Lots of people live happy and meaningful lives without out being concerned about whether Apple is innovative enough. You sound like a cult member.
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Post by donalgdon on Sept 10, 2012 17:47:45 GMT -5
If you don't like Apple's products, don't buy them. I already explained why some people choose to upgrade and why. Stop asking the same questions over and over. This isn't really that difficult. Lots of people live happy and meaningful lives without out being concerned about whether Apple is innovative enough. You sound like a cult member. I'm a former member of the cult of Mac, so I see things differently. I've owned around 30 Macs and portables, etc. and I've been in and out of the ADC, but I'm not in the reality distortion field that surrounds Apple anymore. I still really like Apple's products, and I own them, but now that I've sampled just about every platform there is, I can see where Apple fails. Before, I couldn't. Excuse me for trying to bring up the point. Hope you enjoy your "new" iPhone 4.01s/5 or whatever they decide to call it. I meant no offense by discussing the point.
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Post by herbhunter on Sept 10, 2012 18:24:28 GMT -5
I'm a customer who demands more for my money. I'm trying to encourage others to do likewise, rather than just accept whatever pathetic so-called "update" Apple churns out. I want Apple to succeed, since I have purchased their products loyally in the past, but there's no getting around the fact that, just as I pointed out, the company is clearly resting on its laurels; they aren't really innovating in this space, at least not currently. I hope that will change, but I just don't see it happening. I also do resent the fact that, rather than compete, they choose to litigate as if they are the exclusive source of all good design. They act as if they've never "borrowed" from other companies before. Think about Samsung's F700 or Xerox or whatever... the list is loooong. Steve Jobs said it best: "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas" Apple had an agreement with Xerox.
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Post by donalgdon on Sept 10, 2012 18:29:21 GMT -5
I'm a customer who demands more for my money. I'm trying to encourage others to do likewise, rather than just accept whatever pathetic so-called "update" Apple churns out. I want Apple to succeed, since I have purchased their products loyally in the past, but there's no getting around the fact that, just as I pointed out, the company is clearly resting on its laurels; they aren't really innovating in this space, at least not currently. I hope that will change, but I just don't see it happening. I also do resent the fact that, rather than compete, they choose to litigate as if they are the exclusive source of all good design. They act as if they've never "borrowed" from other companies before. Think about Samsung's F700 or Xerox or whatever... the list is loooong. Steve Jobs said it best: "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas" Apple had an agreement with Xerox. Apple has "agreements" with all kinds of companies they steal from. Doesn't make it right. What they really have is better lawyers and a bigger cash reserve, so might makes right.
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Post by herbhunter on Sept 10, 2012 18:41:51 GMT -5
Apple had an agreement with Xerox. Apple has "agreements" with all kinds of companies they steal from. Doesn't make it right. What they really have is better lawyers and a bigger cash reserve, so might makes right. The point is Apple didn't steal from Xerox. Apple had permission to use the graphical interface that Xerox devised and to further develop it. In return, Xerox was allowed to buy shares at a reduced rate.
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Post by donalgdon on Sept 10, 2012 18:51:16 GMT -5
And Samsung? Nokia? etc. Not so much.
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 10, 2012 20:23:42 GMT -5
My associates and I administer hundreds of messaging users and work with a site that has 1300+ smart phone users so we learn how the tech and non-tech types use, like and don't like the technologies. Most buy phones in a new contract so they don't even really look at or know the actual price.
I didn't upgrade for 4S but saw first hand how it brought very real improvements that Android, Windows Mobile and Blackberry users loved - fast reliable phone with best of class camera, reception and overall battery life.
I'm with Herb on not wanting too big in the new phone. I think I already said the large Motorola I had was not so nice to pocket and carry as my iPhone.
The Apple event has me thinking about stock price as much as product.
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Post by sordello on Sept 10, 2012 22:49:49 GMT -5
With Apple holding an event soon I will ask who is going to get a new phone or tablet? I may take the plunge to have a better spare because I'm out of contract, and sold the Android phone that was my spare. My Motorola Xoom arrived yesterday. Stayed up much of the night working it out, then watched Sherlock Holmes in bed, then listened to Paul Desmond and Jim Hall until nearly sunrise. I guess that means I'm pleased. First major impression: loved being untethered to iTunes!!! To be able to port to my PC by USB cable and then just do simple file management without having to 'sync' through a RAM-filling behemoth Apple program is a big plus. Second impression: screen resolution is amazingly impressive; navigation very smooth and the keyboard is just right for me. Third impression: QuickOffice HD is perfect. With a screen bigger than a phone screen, this Xoom will go with me to a client and their data can be direct-entered to a spreadsheet with much ease and comfort; data- typing is easy with this one. I also find that when flipped to portrait mode, reading a pdf file is "just right" - no sense that the screen is so small you have to 'flip' after two prargraphs all the time - you get to read a good chunk before needing to turn pages. (With my near-sightedness, it feels just right to hold it close to eye and even take off my glasses - excellent for reading in bed!) Nope. Phone screens are just too small for all that. Though the zoom is 3G, I am tempted to sell off my HTC smartphone and cancel my phone number. People can reach me by 3G or WiFi hot spot through email or Skype call. I'll save a fortune each month!
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Post by thedude on Sept 11, 2012 6:27:17 GMT -5
If you don't like Apple's products, don't buy them. I already explained why some people choose to upgrade and why. Stop asking the same questions over and over. This isn't really that difficult. Lots of people live happy and meaningful lives without out being concerned about whether Apple is innovative enough. You sound like a cult member. I'm a former member of the cult of Mac, so I see things differently. I've owned around 30 Macs and portables, etc. and I've been in and out of the ADC, but I'm not in the reality distortion field that surrounds Apple anymore. I still really like Apple's products, and I own them, but now that I've sampled just about every platform there is, I can see where Apple fails. Before, I couldn't. Excuse me for trying to bring up the point. Hope you enjoy your "new" iPhone 4.01s/5 or whatever they decide to call it. I meant no offense by discussing the point. I don't know how many Macs and Apple products I have owned over the years. Probably not 30, but quite a few. My first computers and their successors were all Macs back in the early 90s. I learned to program databases on a Mac, and also used them exclusively in a company I co-owned, etc. I switched to Windows sometime in the mid to late 90s because the software I used for programming wasn't supported as well on Windows, and more importantly, because the company I started working for used PCs in their offices. I stayed away from Apple products until a few years ago because they just weren't appealing to me, and because I didn't like the hype. My first re-introduction to Apple products was through the iPhone 3Gs. I never thought I would want one until I was on a trip with a friend and he used one to find a coffee shop by typing in 'coffee' in the map application. A simple thing really, but my relatively state of the art mobile phone at the time (about 3.5 years ago) was a PIA to use for stuff like that, even though it had the same type of applications. Had I been more nerdy about it, I'm sure I could have figured it out and made it work, but I wasn't interested in doing that. So, I bought an iPhone when I moved to Austin, and my wife, who was a very loyal Blackberry user and very much hated Apple and iPhones also finally saw the ease of use and got one. I'm sure my story is pretty typical. From there, I bought an iMac kind of on a whim. I'm still not crazy about many things regarding the iMac, but it does what I need it to do, and it's more stable than my Windows computers ever were. I had still been using my Windows laptop around the house (i.e., when not in my office) and quickly started to see the difference in stability, and most annoying, in how long it took to wake up the laptop. When it died, I bought a Macbook Air. It has been a great little laptop that happily wakes up whenever I ask it to. I have had it for a year and can't even remember ever rebooting it. I recently started a new contract for a client and use it at their site whenever I have to work on-site. It's been fine for that, although I would rather have the full sized laptop if it were to be my only computer. So, I'm sure you'll say there are other cheaper alternatives out there, and I don't doubt it. For me, it's worth whatever premium I'm paying in order to have a stable and easy to use product that is backed by a reputable company. I can also run down to the Apple store and get my product serviced, etc. Again, that is a value to me. If money were a bigger consideration, or if I had more of an interest in the technical details of these products, then I might make different choices. But for me, I just want all this crap to work and not have to screw around with it. If that's not the case for you, and if you have found alternatives that work for you, more power to you. Go conquer the world. But, stop with this pretense that all the people who buy Apple products have bought into some silly hype. Some of them do, and I find it very annoying. But, some don't. I never really liked Steve Jobs, although I admired some of his business decisions. I bought his products despite the hype, and I frequently swear at his ghost whenever I get annoyed with one of my products. When he died, I thought many of the supposed eulogies to his greatness actually revealed what a jerk he must have been in many situations. I have no interest in knowing or hero worshipping someone like that. I also don't like Apple stores, other than that they are a convenience. To me, the whole thing is a bit creepy. My wife won't go near them after a big product release because she thinks everyone stinks from sweaty excitement. Yuk!
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Post by lindaw on Sept 11, 2012 7:05:41 GMT -5
I've got a 4 that could probably use upgrading due to some physical damage. As long as it still works though, I'm happy. My daughter has a 4s and I told her if the 5 floats her boat, I'll get her the 5 on my upgrade and I can take her 4s. She's likely to use the features in 5 that I won't.
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Post by thedude on Sept 11, 2012 7:16:44 GMT -5
I've got a 4 that could probably use upgrading due to some physical damage. As long as it still works though, I'm happy. My daughter has a 4s and I told her if the 5 floats her boat, I'll get her the 5 on my upgrade and I can take her 4s. She's likely to use the features in 5 that I won't. My friend does the same thing. He has 3 plans and gets a new upgrade and shifts the other 2 phones around to his nurse and his wife.
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 11, 2012 7:26:47 GMT -5
I've got a 4 that could probably use upgrading due to some physical damage. As long as it still works though, I'm happy. My daughter has a 4s and I told her if the 5 floats her boat, I'll get her the 5 on my upgrade and I can take her 4s. She's likely to use the features in 5 that I won't. Directly or indirectly you might be with me or maybe what Herb expressed. In my case the revolutions are more with apps than sticking GPS, WiFi or a touch screen in hand. What is or isn't released for the world of mobile payments may force a purchase whether or not I want it. Two of my customers are always cutting edge with their retail payment systems and it's looking like it won't be more than a year before new PIN pads and mobile payments in the grocery stores. A MacBook Air, tablet and now a car that does a good job if mirroring my phone on the dash make the size of an iPhone 4 and S nice. Software development alone will have the iPhone at top of the heap for many.
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Post by Holy Schist on Sept 11, 2012 9:03:00 GMT -5
With Apple holding an event soon I will ask who is going to get a new phone or tablet? I may take the plunge to have a better spare because I'm out of contract, and sold the Android phone that was my spare. My Motorola Xoom arrived yesterday. Stayed up much of the night working it out, then watched Sherlock Holmes in bed, then listened to Paul Desmond and Jim Hall until nearly sunrise. I guess that means I'm pleased. First major impression: loved being untethered to iTunes!!! To be able to port to my PC by USB cable and then just do simple file management without having to 'sync' through a RAM-filling behemoth Apple program is a big plus. Second impression: screen resolution is amazingly impressive; navigation very smooth and the keyboard is just right for me. Third impression: QuickOffice HD is perfect. With a screen bigger than a phone screen, this Xoom will go with me to a client and their data can be direct-entered to a spreadsheet with much ease and comfort; data- typing is easy with this one. I also find that when flipped to portrait mode, reading a pdf file is "just right" - no sense that the screen is so small you have to 'flip' after two prargraphs all the time - you get to read a good chunk before needing to turn pages. (With my near-sightedness, it feels just right to hold it close to eye and even take off my glasses - excellent for reading in bed!) Nope. Phone screens are just too small for all that. Though the zoom is 3G, I am tempted to sell off my HTC smartphone and cancel my phone number. People can reach me by 3G or WiFi hot spot through email or Skype call. I'll save a fortune each month! I felt the opposite and was glad to get ride of my Xoom, one of my 3 kids liked it. Most of what you describe has nothing to do with the platform you use and the office apps work on a few. I have no more issues synchronizing files between an Apple mobile device than I do an Android other than appreciating superior battery life and better software choices for some important uses. Battery life might be the killer app in any releases Apple could make this week. Poor battery life for using all the system features is one of the things our users don't like about their non-Apple phones. I confess it is one feature I like beyond apps that don't exist or that suck with my Android purchases. The Google Maps navigation is the one sure advantage of a stock Android mobile over an Apple but I found myself using Waze more than Google or Apple because the crowd sourced traffic is superior.
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Post by donalgdon on Sept 11, 2012 10:24:43 GMT -5
A lot of users don't realize that they don't need to have every background process draining their battery all the time. At least with non-Apple devices, you can carry a spare battery and swap out if you run out of juice.
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Post by thedude on Sept 11, 2012 11:09:32 GMT -5
Do background apps actually drain the battery? I can see how if they are accessing the net, but if they are just idling I don't know why it makes any difference. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm just saying I don't know why it would affect the battery. Now, memory, I can see how that would be an issue.
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