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Post by Holy Schist on Nov 4, 2012 21:50:54 GMT -5
What were unions even doing involved in the process of getting help to the people and confusing the issue? What did it matter (except to the unions) if the help from other power companies coming in were members? In the case of lineman the standards of passing the journeyman's exam and certificate of fitness seem to protect employers, employees and customers. My bro in law says it works well for employers and employees who don't know each other to get working right away with a good chance they won't kill each other or the customers. Pretend it were you or your child as utility company management or linesman. At what speed would you step into a scenario where you don't have a good measure of qualification or competence for the people who could so easily kill your customers or you? For all I don't like about unions I see there are scenarios where they serve a purpose. The standards they brought to electric utilities took the linesman job from 1 in 3 dead or not able to complete a career to you having a good chance of doing it or having them work in your neighborhood without being killed by it. I'll bet these unions would never have had made it if those standards were they first.
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Post by blowtorch on Nov 4, 2012 21:59:44 GMT -5
So the journeyman's exam is different or harder in NY or NY than the one in Florida or Alabama?
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Post by Holy Schist on Nov 4, 2012 22:45:11 GMT -5
So the journeyman's exam is different or harder in NY or NY than the one in Florida or Alabama? I have no idea beyond knowing that some states have reciprocity for the certificate of fitness. You and Linda can waste your time over the ridiculous or troll. I'll rest this evening knowing standards and qualified people generally cut risk whether it's safety or getting something done.
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Post by sordello on Nov 4, 2012 22:47:48 GMT -5
Nice try. I didn't say that private business did nothing. I agreed they would give Escobar peanuts so they could look good in the press. I asked about the $30billion at least that was required and all you offer is posts about how companies will offer free cell phone recharges and free hot coffee. What a laugh. The 1% showing its true, selfish, colours. It didn't matter if the workers were union or not. The truth came out in the Washington Post article. You are still dealing with the Dailycom.com spin that you presented here. That story has been shown to be false. Keep going with it though - you and blowtorch are the only ones who swallow that Dailycom bilge. (Dailycom - founded by an ex Cheney policy advisor. Yep. That will be balanced "journalism", sorry, I believe the line from their site was "original journalism")
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Post by sordello on Nov 4, 2012 22:56:11 GMT -5
What were unions even doing involved in the process of getting help to the people and confusing the issue? What did it matter (except to the unions) if the help from other power companies coming in were members? In the case of lineman the standards of passing the journeyman's exam and certificate of fitness seem to protect employers, employees and customers. My bro in law says it works well for employers and employees who don't know each other to get working right away with a good chance they won't kill each other or the customers. Pretend it were you or your child as utility company management or linesman. At what speed would you step into a scenario where you don't have a good measure of qualification or competence for the people who could so easily kill your customers or you? For all I don't like about unions I see there are scenarios where they serve a purpose. The standards they brought to electric utilities took the linesman job from 1 in 3 dead or not able to complete a career to you having a good chance of doing it or having them work in your neighborhood without being killed by it. I'll bet these unions would never have had made it if those standards were they first. All good points. The people here who think 'volunteering' to fix electrical lines and equipment is just like volunteering to offload boxes from a truck, and anyone can do it and the trucks are the same all over the country are of course just trolling. To suggest one piece of electrical equipment in one state will be identical with some other piece of equipment in another state, and that electrical training is a one-size-fits-all one day course, and a volunteer should be able to just scoot up a pole and "fix it" are in la-la land. I wouldn't want some unknown 'volunteer' working on my high voltage electrical team unless I had a good long interview with him first! And yeh, that involves paperwork and vetting his credentials.
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Post by lindaw on Nov 5, 2012 7:09:02 GMT -5
Well, I guess that means that they should send ALL crews from other states away and tackle it themselves, eh?
These are trained linemen. To suggest they don't know their job because they aren't union is pretty disgraceful - and incorrect.
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Post by blowtorch on Nov 5, 2012 8:20:58 GMT -5
So the journeyman's exam is different or harder in NY or NY than the one in Florida or Alabama? I have no idea beyond knowing that some states have reciprocity for the certificate of fitness. You and Linda can waste your time over the ridiculous or troll. I'll rest this evening knowing standards and qualified people generally cut risk whether it's safety or getting something done. Sorry, but some of the things you say just don't add up.
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Post by blowtorch on Nov 5, 2012 8:23:25 GMT -5
In the case of lineman the standards of passing the journeyman's exam and certificate of fitness seem to protect employers, employees and customers. My bro in law says it works well for employers and employees who don't know each other to get working right away with a good chance they won't kill each other or the customers. Pretend it were you or your child as utility company management or linesman. At what speed would you step into a scenario where you don't have a good measure of qualification or competence for the people who could so easily kill your customers or you? For all I don't like about unions I see there are scenarios where they serve a purpose. The standards they brought to electric utilities took the linesman job from 1 in 3 dead or not able to complete a career to you having a good chance of doing it or having them work in your neighborhood without being killed by it. I'll bet these unions would never have had made it if those standards were they first. All good points. The people here who think 'volunteering' to fix electrical lines and equipment is just like volunteering to offload boxes from a truck, and anyone can do it and the trucks are the same all over the country are of course just trolling. To suggest one piece of electrical equipment in one state will be identical with some other piece of equipment in another state, and that electrical training is a one-size-fits-all one day course, and a volunteer should be able to just scoot up a pole and "fix it" are in la-la land. I wouldn't want some unknown 'volunteer' working on my high voltage electrical team unless I had a good long interview with him first! And yeh, that involves paperwork and vetting his credentials. What a silly post. These were qualified lineman from another state, not random people off the street. The only paperwork was a contract stating how much the workers had to pony up to the Sopranos.
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Post by sordello on Nov 5, 2012 18:28:46 GMT -5
Well, I guess that means that they should send ALL crews from other states away and tackle it themselves, eh? These are trained linemen. To suggest they don't know their job because they are union is pretty disgraceful - and incorrect. No. What is disgraceful is you putting words into my mouth and pretending I said them. I didn't say the men didn't "know their job". Have you ever had a job as an electrical engineer? I have. Back in Esso, in Canada many years ago, and I know that even though you know the theory and practice of one aspect of design, it doesn't qualify you to know, from day one, the aspects of all electrical (electronic) designs. From job to job you need 'skilling up'. You seem to think an electrician working on airplanes can get a job as an electrician in an auto plant and he doesn't need any orientation training for the new equipment and new designs. Sure he's a "trained" electrician, but he still has stuff to learn before he hits the first car. So their training and knowledge needs to be investigated before they start work. It has nothing to do with union membership. No one here but your buddy blowtorch is buying your rightwing b.s.
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Post by sordello on Nov 5, 2012 18:32:46 GMT -5
All good points. The people here who think 'volunteering' to fix electrical lines and equipment is just like volunteering to offload boxes from a truck, and anyone can do it and the trucks are the same all over the country are of course just trolling. To suggest one piece of electrical equipment in one state will be identical with some other piece of equipment in another state, and that electrical training is a one-size-fits-all one day course, and a volunteer should be able to just scoot up a pole and "fix it" are in la-la land. I wouldn't want some unknown 'volunteer' working on my high voltage electrical team unless I had a good long interview with him first! And yeh, that involves paperwork and vetting his credentials. What a silly post. These were qualified lineman from another state, not random people off the street. The only paperwork was a contract stating how much the workers had to pony up to the Sopranos. How did they know they were qualified if they didn't check first? I didn't say they were random people off the street, so your reading comprehension classes seem to be a failure. And bringing up the Sopranos is the only silly thing here - but par for your course. You may like a little union-bashing but let's stick to the truth here, not your Dailycom tripe.
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Post by lindaw on Nov 5, 2012 18:55:56 GMT -5
The unions are the ones who are supposed to check for qualification?If so, why?
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Post by sordello on Nov 5, 2012 19:28:51 GMT -5
The unions are the ones who are supposed to check for qualification?If so, why? No, I didn't say that. The volunteer workers had to do some paperwork, and someone went running to Dailycom to say they were being rejected because they were non union members. You and blowtorch naturally swallowed, and are now trying to peddle that crap here. Look, it's a Dailycom story. It's b.s. 'Nuff said. Read the Washington Post article to get the story for the actual planet we all live on. Like I said, for someone who was hyperventilating about the original Benghazi details from the Admin being wrong, you certainly don't live by your own standards.
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Post by Holy Schist on Nov 5, 2012 19:40:45 GMT -5
The unions are the ones who are supposed to check for qualification?If so, why? Why don't you go do some homework or invent all the best mouse traps yourself? What the unions are supposed to do probably varies to some extent. You approach so many things like they're reason for war or feeding a conspiracy and it's ridiculous. Be nice if you really have interest in something or f off if you're just trolling. What I do know is my bro in law gets work opportunities posted by locals, is at times referred to or goes to the union reps, contacts or offices for some work. He just told my wife he's now going to take a job near his home because it will last more than a year. Sleeping with his wife in a warmer climate instead of in a rental car in the N.E. evidently looked good to him. Closer to topic, another report from friends said the feet, bikes and fewer cylinders you seem to loath are still helping a lot whether it's avoiding lines to get somewhere or lines to get gas. One posted some Facebook pics of their taking turns on a bike powered generator.
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Post by blowtorch on Nov 5, 2012 20:38:34 GMT -5
What a silly post. These were qualified lineman from another state, not random people off the street. The only paperwork was a contract stating how much the workers had to pony up to the Sopranos. How did they know they were qualified if they didn't check first? I didn't say they were random people off the street, so your reading comprehension classes seem to be a failure. And bringing up the Sopranos is the only silly thing here - but par for your course. You may like a little union-bashing but let's stick to the truth here, not your Dailycom tripe. Yeah...the mob has never been associated with unions in New York or New Jersey.
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Post by lindaw on Nov 5, 2012 21:58:45 GMT -5
The unions are the ones who are supposed to check for qualification?If so, why? Why don't you go do some homework or invent all the best mouse traps yourself? What the unions are supposed to do probably varies to some extent. You approach so many things like they're reason for war or feeding a conspiracy and it's ridiculous. Be nice if you really have interest in something or f off if you're just trolling. What I do know is my bro in law gets work opportunities posted by locals, is at times referred to or goes to the union reps, contacts or offices for some work. He just told my wife he's now going to take a job near his home because it will last more than a year. Sleeping with his wife in a warmer climate instead of in a rental car in the N.E. evidently looked good to him. Closer to topic, another report from friends said the feet, bikes and fewer cylinders you seem to loath are still helping a lot whether it's avoiding lines to get somewhere or lines to get gas. One posted some Facebook pics of their taking turns on a bike powered generator. Do you believe people who do not belong to unions are less qualified? Because that's what the unions seem to be saying. And as Blowtorch says, organized crime is part-and-parcel. That tells me loads. I have no problem with bikes. What I had a problem with is your smug attitude which essentially read: well I guess those poor idiots who thought their large gas-powered cars were 'all that' will be seeing the value of a bicycle. What, didn't mean that? That's how you came off. Furthermore, some of those 'poor idiots' have nothing now, and another storm blowing in. Boy, that'll teach em to ride a bike, eh?
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