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Post by naill on Nov 29, 2012 21:36:21 GMT -5
The lap dog speakth. And, an educated one with a pedigree at that.
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Post by lindaw on Nov 29, 2012 21:57:49 GMT -5
I don't find what Herb said as being picky at all. As the son of an English/Latin Professor that had an Appreciation for language and how it develops and alters and morphs, I found what Herb wrote to be rather interesting and a sign of his intelligence. Spend a few holidays with my pretentious in-laws who speak of the 'Word of the Day' and how 'hahaha, they don't even know where the TV remote IS mind you, because TV SO rots the brain". Actually, I'm referring to my husband's stepmother; I could always count on his mother to shout something crass and funny across the table when they did this
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Post by frankhs on Nov 29, 2012 21:59:23 GMT -5
The lap dog speakth. And, an educated one with a pedigree at that. No wonder this "community" remains population 13.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 22:02:12 GMT -5
I don't find what Herb said as being picky at all. As the son of an English/Latin Professor that had an Appreciation for language and how it develops and alters and morphs, I found what Herb wrote to be rather interesting and a sign of his intelligence. Spend a few holidays with my pretentious in-laws who speak of the 'Word of the Day' and how 'hahaha, they don't even know where the TV remote IS mind you, because TV SO rots the brain". Actually, I'm referring to my husband's stepmother; I could always count on his mother to shout something crass and funny across the table when they did this Doesn't sound like family get-togethers are much fun.
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Post by herbhunter on Nov 30, 2012 6:56:56 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the grammatical term for this is "stative," ...I seem to recall typing the term, stative, when I wrote post #9.
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Post by lindaw on Nov 30, 2012 7:24:32 GMT -5
Spend a few holidays with my pretentious in-laws who speak of the 'Word of the Day' and how 'hahaha, they don't even know where the TV remote IS mind you, because TV SO rots the brain". Actually, I'm referring to my husband's stepmother; I could always count on his mother to shout something crass and funny across the table when they did this Doesn't sound like family get-togethers are much fun. Sure they are - now. I don't go since my MIL passed. I see my own, very fun family. PHEW My point though is life is too short (at least for me) to worry about what people are saying or doing, unless it is illegal, immoral or fattening I understand though there are people who find fun and fascination in words and language. It's no accident Scrabble is still so popular. I also find it interesting that politicians seem to want to push things like Ebonics and allow Hispanic and Black children to get graded correctly for their own variations of language (not cultural, I'm talking street), yet those things have great potential to hold kids back. Saying "I be wanting a job" rather than "I'd like to apply for a job" is not doing ANYONE any favors. Yet Asian kids come here with HUGE reading and writing challenges and rise to the occasion (and then some). Black children and Hispanic children certainly are not lacking in brainpower so why ask less of them?
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Post by thedude on Nov 30, 2012 7:35:11 GMT -5
I don't find what Herb said as being picky at all. As the son of an English/Latin Professor that had an Appreciation for language and how it develops and alters and morphs, I found what Herb wrote to be rather interesting and a sign of his intelligence. Spend a few holidays with my pretentious in-laws who speak of the 'Word of the Day' and how 'hahaha, they don't even know where the TV remote IS mind you, because TV SO rots the brain". Actually, I'm referring to my husband's stepmother; I could always count on his mother to shout something crass and funny across the table when they did this That puts your earlier response into some better context. When people quibble about grammar as a means to demonstrate some kind of intellectual superiority, it's time to cut a giant fart and leave the room. But, that doesn't mean the rest of us can't kick around some of these ideas...
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Post by donalgdon on Nov 30, 2012 7:54:50 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the grammatical term for this is "stative," ...I seem to recall typing the term, stative, when I wrote post #9. Oh, maybe you did. I'll have to check. Sorry about that.
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Post by donalgdon on Nov 30, 2012 8:02:12 GMT -5
Spend a few holidays with my pretentious in-laws who speak of the 'Word of the Day' and how 'hahaha, they don't even know where the TV remote IS mind you, because TV SO rots the brain". Actually, I'm referring to my husband's stepmother; I could always count on his mother to shout something crass and funny across the table when they did this That puts your earlier response into some better context. When people quibble about grammar as a means to demonstrate some kind of intellectual superiority, it's time to cut a giant fart and leave the room. But, that doesn't mean the rest of us can't kick around some of these ideas... Honestly, I hate the grammar police attitude, and I have my badge, I guess you could say, but I hate to use it outside the classroom environment, because I think it sounds unnecessarily pompous. My grammar teacher in high school was one of those sorts that had a way of making people feel small for their poor grammar, and demeaning people doesn't inspire them. It's why I almost failed her class my senior year, and by rights, I probably should have, because I was clocked out during most of the class. I read the books and participated in discussions, etc. but the rest was a blur. She took me into the hallway on the last day of class and gave me a lecture that went something like, "You know, Don, I should fail you, because you don't ever do anything the way I tell you to do it. You are a good writer, but you...." I trailed off at that point. I didn't fail, but I think its ironic that I developed a love of literature and writing despite my teachers, rather than because of them. My science teachers were more inspiring to me, actually.... at least at the high school level. The college biology courses were mostly terribly boring.
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Post by thedude on Nov 30, 2012 9:06:49 GMT -5
That puts your earlier response into some better context. When people quibble about grammar as a means to demonstrate some kind of intellectual superiority, it's time to cut a giant fart and leave the room. But, that doesn't mean the rest of us can't kick around some of these ideas... Honestly, I hate the grammar police attitude, and I have my badge, I guess you could say, but I hate to use it outside the classroom environment, because I think it sounds unnecessarily pompous. My grammar teacher in high school was one of those sorts that had a way of making people feel small for their poor grammar, and demeaning people doesn't inspire them. It's why I almost failed her class my senior year, and by rights, I probably should have, because I was clocked out during most of the class. I read the books and participated in discussions, etc. but the rest was a blur. She took me into the hallway on the last day of class and gave me a lecture that went something like, "You know, Don, I should fail you, because you don't ever do anything the way I tell you to do it. You are a good writer, but you...." I trailed off at that point. I didn't fail, but I think its ironic that I developed a love of literature and writing despite my teachers, rather than because of them. My science teachers were more inspiring to me, actually.... at least at the high school level. The college biology courses were mostly terribly boring. In academia, and especially in the humanities and social sciences, intellectual capital is the only valuable resource most professors have. Professors of science, engineering, law, and business often have relatively lucrative careers from which to appease their ego. Too often, the first group flaunts their intellectual training like others do with wealth, muscles, etc. and it's just as annoying. What I find even more annoying and disturbing is when someone who is an expert in the Spanish Revolution by virtue of his intellectual accomplishments deludes himself into being an expert on all facets of modern American culture, politics, and society and speaks with the same authority on any and all topics. I have run into that quite a bit in academia, and IMO, that is what tends to give them a bad reputation.
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Post by naill on Nov 30, 2012 12:59:31 GMT -5
The lap dog speakth. And, an educated one with a pedigree at that. No wonder this "community" remains population 13. I learned it here.
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Post by lindaw on Nov 30, 2012 16:24:43 GMT -5
No wonder this "community" remains population 13. I learned it here. And you weren't wrong...
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Post by naill on Nov 30, 2012 16:48:09 GMT -5
It will be important to point out to new comers the source of the BS. It ain't us.
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Post by thedude on Nov 30, 2012 17:30:58 GMT -5
It will be important to point out to new comers the source of the BS. It ain't us. If a newcomer looks at this thread, it will be you. I found Linda's remarks to be overly caustic, but then when she explained her familial situation it put some context to them and I could see where she was coming from. You, however, didn't even contribute to the thread and are just picking fights with others that you don't like and then have the nerve to say that BS is coming from elsewhere. The BS is coming from you, and that's not an unusual source around here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 19:03:33 GMT -5
Everyone on this forum holds some responsibilty for the atmosphere and the quality of discussions that go on here. When I had my meltdown here and got angry someone said something to me that was very wise. They told me to focus on myself and my own behavior. That was great advice and it is the core teaching of the 12-step group that I am in.
I know who and what hooks me and pushes my buttons. I need to be mindful of that and stay away from the people and topics that hook me.
But nobody should be so delusional to think that they are not guilty of being hostile and contributing to that hostility.
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