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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 16:18:37 GMT -5
This place is nutty.
It's the Golden Rule!
HOW HARD CAN IT BE!
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 16:26:31 GMT -5
This place is nutty. It's the Golden Rule! HOW HARD CAN IT BE! Let me be clear. Are you seriously saying that you don't accept the simple fact that one's frame of reference impacts the practice of the "Golden Rule" in principle? ?? Nobody can be that oblivious. I just don't buy it, and I think you are just pretending. I provided an example for illustration purposes. The distortion of the Golden Rule is a common tactic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 16:27:08 GMT -5
Newman, it seems as if you enjoy going out of your way to be disagreeable and insulting. Or is that just the part of the Golden Rule that I don't understand?
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 16:34:30 GMT -5
Newman, it seems as if you enjoy going out of your way to be disagreeable and insulting. Or is that just the part of the Golden Rule that I don't understand? Well, I'm not him, but I don't think you were being serious in your reply above. If you were, and if you really didn't understand the point, I apologize. I honestly thought (as I said) that you were pretending to be oblivious to the reality I illustrated by example; that you were being facetious just to be difficult. If you say you weren't, I believe you. I'm sorry if I insulted you. It wasn't my intent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 16:36:19 GMT -5
This place is nutty. It's the Golden Rule! HOW HARD CAN IT BE! Let me be clear. Are you seriously saying that you don't accept the simple fact that one's frame of reference impacts the practice of the "Golden Rule" in principle? ?? Nobody can be that oblivious. I just don't buy it, and I think you are just pretending. I provided an example for illustration purposes. The distortion of the Golden Rule is a common tactic. WTF? We were talking about people getting along with each other in a locker room. Why do you think that the GR would not be a good way to do that? You CAN'T be suggesting that I was trying to distort the GR just to make a point about NFL Players accepting a gay player in a locker room. Can you? Shall I put you in the same category with newman?
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 16:44:23 GMT -5
Let me be clear. Are you seriously saying that you don't accept the simple fact that one's frame of reference impacts the practice of the "Golden Rule" in principle? ?? Nobody can be that oblivious. I just don't buy it, and I think you are just pretending. I provided an example for illustration purposes. The distortion of the Golden Rule is a common tactic. WTF? We were talking about people getting along with each other in a locker room. Why do you think that the GR would not be a good way to do that? You CAN'T be suggesting that I trying to distort the GR just to make a point about NFL Players accepting a gay player in a locker room. Can you? Shall I put you in the same category with newman? Well, here's an example (since you ignored the previous example entirely.) If a gay man's greatest desire were that other men interact with him sexually and/or romantically, then he'd be obligated to do that to if he were using the "Golden Rule" from his own frame of reference. If he was respectful enough to reject his own frame of reference in favor of another's, and see life from another perspective, he'd be able to subject his sexual proclivity to the greater good of those around him. My point is the same as that I made before. An alcoholic's desire might be a fifth of whisky, and he'd be obligated to buy anyone a fifth if they asked for it. That's a distortion of the "Golden Rule," precisely because Jesus used the principle to illustrate how a man should treat others the way God treats him. He said in another place that people would know we are his disciples by the love we show. Distributing heroine to heroine addicts or whisky to alcoholics isn't an act of love. We are commanded to consider the needs of others above our own.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 16:50:47 GMT -5
FYI Here's the Golden Rule Wiki Golden Rule"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 16:52:01 GMT -5
Dear OP,
I apologize for the hijack of your thread.
I had no idea that that would happen.
Regards, Guest
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 16:57:22 GMT -5
FYI Here's the Golden Rule Wiki Golden Rule"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself." Exactly, so a to use my example (again, which for some reason you ignored) a heroine addict like Philip Seymour Hoffman would be obligated to provide heroine to others and/or inject heroine into people's veins until their death. Do you honestly not see the obvious point that the frame of reference Jesus operated from was essentially saying,"If you follow me, and obey my command, then you will treat others the way you would be treated." It's obvious that one's frame of reference is key to understanding what the proper treatment of others actually is. If one abuses him or herself, then he's obligated to abuse others. IF you really don't see the logical failure, I accept that, but I have a hunch that you are (as I said) just pretending to be oblivious for the sake of contention.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 17:05:32 GMT -5
You have no point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 17:10:16 GMT -5
According to you guys, a straight NFL player who follows the Golden Rule will not accept gay NFL players in the locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 17:11:40 GMT -5
That's all I can stand!
Have fun, or whatever it is that you are having.
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 17:28:43 GMT -5
According to you guys, a straight NFL player who follows the Golden Rule will not accept gay NFL players in the locker room. I'm not even suggesting that the guy should be shunned. The obvious point is that there are NFL players who don't have the same interest of love and acceptance toward all mankind that Jesus called his followers to exemplify, so we shouldn't expect them to live by another standard. Why is that so complicated? If a "straight NFL player" who is a disciple of Jesus is following the "Golden Rule," he'll accept the man and love him. If the "straight NFL player's" frame of reference is like that of others, he's likely to encourage the man to smoke pot, drink alcohol, be homophobic, visit prostitutes, strip clubs, etc. These are all EXTREMELY common practice in the NFL. The NFL has a disproportionately high amount of criminal and immoral activity. Are you not aware of this either? Take a look at this book: www.amazon.com/Pros-Cons-The-Criminals-Play/dp/0446524034
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 18:35:21 GMT -5
Newman, it seems as if you enjoy going out of your way to be disagreeable and insulting. Or is that just the part of the Golden Rule that I don't understand? I tell you what, Guest. If you review your posts on this forum, you would see that you have not followed the GR. I have seen more than a few bashing comments. Now you want to use the GR. How about the homosexuals applying the Golden Rule? Or, does it just apply to everybody else? From where I sit, you show no ability to allow others to disagree with you. You make statements without any support except your imagination and get fried if someone takes you to task. Have you ever been approached by a homosexual for sex? It happens whether you can get it through your thick head or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 21:10:17 GMT -5
For the record I utterly reject the notions that:
Gay men make advances on straight men in locker rooms. I've never seen or heard (reliably) that it happens.
Or that only Christians are capable of following the simple altruistic message of the Golden Rule.
Now then, ridicule me at your leisure.
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