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Post by Holy Schist on Feb 12, 2014 22:01:09 GMT -5
I never heard of this guy before but like his piece for his acceptance and pointing out how much unsavory behavior is in the NFL.
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 12, 2014 22:28:18 GMT -5
The ONLY part of this I can remotely understand is the idea of having a gay man in the locker room could be uncomfortable from the simple perspective that he is (as a gay man) aroused sexually by men. I have the same problem with passing laws which allow men who self-identify as gender confused to use women's restrooms, because I think it leaves too much room for problems to arise (no pun intended.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 10:41:58 GMT -5
If you have ever been in a locker room, you have been in a locker room with gay people. So have all the football players who ever played in the NFL.
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 13, 2014 14:27:22 GMT -5
If you have ever been in a locker room, you have been in a locker room with gay people. So have all the football players who ever played in the NFL. No doubt that's likely the case more often than we realize, but when the person is "out," it creates an entirely different dynamic which is more difficult for both the player in question and the team as a whole. There's no easy solution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 10:01:03 GMT -5
If you have ever been in a locker room, you have been in a locker room with gay people. So have all the football players who ever played in the NFL. No doubt that's likely the case more often than we realize, but when the person is "out," it creates an entirely different dynamic which is more difficult for both the player in question and the team as a whole. There's no easy solution. There's a solution that is too simple, it's called the Golden Rule.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 11:14:47 GMT -5
No doubt that's likely the case more often than we realize, but when the person is "out," it creates an entirely different dynamic which is more difficult for both the player in question and the team as a whole. There's no easy solution. There's a solution that is too simple, it's called the Golden Rule. The exercise of that rule is predicated on no repeated moral offense. We might choose to overlook an offense, but a repeated offense must be dealt with properly. Society has an obligation to discipline or quarantine and offender which threatens the common good. No one would be expected to endure repeated sexual advances in the locker room. It's not good for anyone to be allowed to act inappropriately.
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Post by Holy Schist on Feb 14, 2014 12:43:40 GMT -5
I believe luge is an old sport that has been in the Olympics a long time. It appears to be quite gay. Maybe a new coed sport combining luge and skeleton would be more popular but that would probably offend some here too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 12:55:45 GMT -5
There's a solution that is too simple, it's called the Golden Rule. The exercise of that rule is predicated on no repeated moral offense. We might choose to overlook an offense, but a repeated offense must be dealt with properly. Society has an obligation to discipline or quarantine and offender which threatens the common good. No one would be expected to endure repeated sexual advances in the locker room. It's not good for anyone to be allowed to act inappropriately. Dude, you can't actually believe that gay men hit on straight men in locker rooms, can you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 12:56:37 GMT -5
I guess my invoking the GR really is just too simple for some.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 14:09:08 GMT -5
I believe luge is an old sport that has been in the Olympics a long time. It appears to be quite gay. Maybe a new coed sport combining luge and skeleton would be more popular but that would probably offend some here too. More propaganda from the Homosex Community.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 14:10:14 GMT -5
Dude, you can't actually believe that gay men hit on straight men in locker rooms, can you? Were you raised in a closet?
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Post by Holy Schist on Feb 14, 2014 14:28:49 GMT -5
More propaganda from the Homosex Community. [/quote] Your team needs to hire a better marketing firm. That was funny. In the town I grew up in watch your a$$ was a more important concept for kids dealing with clergy than it was the locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 14:44:10 GMT -5
Dude, you can't actually believe that gay men hit on straight men in locker rooms, can you? Were you raised in a closet? No, but obviously you were if you believe that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 15:26:03 GMT -5
Were you raised in a closet? No, but obviously you were if you believe that. Maybe you're just talking because nobody noticed you in the shower and made a pass. You sure know a lot about locker rooms. Were locker rooms around 40,000 years ago? What did they talk about in the good old days?
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 15:44:22 GMT -5
No doubt that's likely the case more often than we realize, but when the person is "out," it creates an entirely different dynamic which is more difficult for both the player in question and the team as a whole. There's no easy solution. There's a solution that is too simple, it's called the Golden Rule. The missing component of the Golden Rule is that when Jesus used it, he was speaking to people called to the highest moral standard, which her himself personified and modeled. Implicit within the command to, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," in context, implies that the person doing is operating from this frame of reference and no other. For example, a heroin addict may believe, from his frame of reference, that "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" would require him to distribute heroin freely to all, since he himself desires it. Obviously, you can see the potential for abuse when context is removed. I have no problem with the Golden Rule, and I apply it to all (homosexuals included) equally. If I fail in any way, I ask both God and the person him or herself whom I have offended to forgive me, and go right back to the same goal. I don't think it's possible to use the Golden Rule effectively unless and until the frame of reference has been changed. Let me ask a question for perspective. If there were a transgender boy at your daughter's school who self-identified as a girl, would you be okay with allowing him to join her on the soccer team and to shower with your daughter's soccer team after practice, use the girl's restroom, etc.?
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