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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 21:21:38 GMT -5
For the record I utterly reject the notions that: Gay men make advances on straight men in locker rooms. I've never seen or heard (reliably) that it happens. Or that only Christians are capable of following the simple altruistic message of the Golden Rule. Now then, ridicule me at your leisure. For the record, nobody said any of these things, nor has anyone ridiculed you. Also, for the record, I do know that there have been examples of gay men making advances on other men in locker rooms and restrooms. I know of two cases personally, and I knew both of the gay men involved. They worked at the university with me in the 1990's. One of them was a Spanish professor, the other was an engineering instructor. The Spanish professor was a friend of our family for more than 20 years. These advances were rejected by the straight man who felt cornered and called campus police. His case made the local news. The engineering instructor was a member of a Korean campus ministry organization I was involved with. I only knew him for four years. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 22:23:36 GMT -5
For the record I utterly reject the notions that: Gay men make advances on straight men in locker rooms. I've never seen or heard (reliably) that it happens. Or that only Christians are capable of following the simple altruistic message of the Golden Rule. Now then, ridicule me at your leisure. For the record, nobody said any of these things, nor has anyone ridiculed you. Your own words: "I'm not even suggesting that the guy should be shunned. The obvious point is that there are NFL players who don't have the same interest of love and acceptance toward all mankind that Jesus called his followers to exemplify, so we shouldn't expect them to live by another standard. Why is that so complicated? If a "straight NFL player" who is a disciple of Jesus is following the "Golden Rule," he'll accept the man and love him. If the "straight NFL player's" frame of reference is like that of others, he's likely to encourage the man to smoke pot, drink alcohol, be homophobic, visit prostitutes, strip clubs, etc. These are all EXTREMELY common practice in the NFL. The NFL has a disproportionately high amount of criminal and immoral activity. [/quote] Deny them. |
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Post by donalgdon on Feb 14, 2014 23:32:11 GMT -5
For the record, nobody said any of these things, nor has anyone ridiculed you. Your own words: "I'm not even suggesting that the guy should be shunned. The obvious point is that there are NFL players who don't have the same interest of love and acceptance toward all mankind that Jesus called his followers to exemplify, so we shouldn't expect them to live by another standard. Why is that so complicated? If a "straight NFL player" who is a disciple of Jesus is following the "Golden Rule," he'll accept the man and love him. If the "straight NFL player's" frame of reference is like that of others, he's likely to encourage the man to smoke pot, drink alcohol, be homophobic, visit prostitutes, strip clubs, etc. These are all EXTREMELY common practice in the NFL. The NFL has a disproportionately high amount of criminal and immoral activity. Deny them. [/quote] Sure. I din't say that non-Christians could not be altruistic. I said, "If the "straight NFL player's" frame of reference is like that of others, [other NFL players] he's likely to..." Likely means, odds are, or chances are. Then I described the sort of behavior as outlined in the book I referenced. It's much more common than I think most realize. Criminal and dangerous behavior is widespread in the NFL. So, yes, I deny your distortion of my words. I was pretty straight forward. I'm also not saying that every NFL player is evil. I'm simply saying that, on average, there's a lot of problems and illegal activities going on. Some recent reports form players and former players inside the NFL have even suggested this. I'm not saying anything shocking, really. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 11:45:07 GMT -5
Gay men make advances on straight men in locker rooms. I've never seen or heard (reliably) that it happens. . Does information exist outside of what you have seen or heard? That's not a ridicule of you. It's just a narrow minded position that you've allowed yourself to believe. You've shown the same tendency toward how natural law developed, the Ham/Nye debates, literal Biblical interpretation, and now here. There is a common thread. If you come here and you don't want serious discussion, you will be disappointed. Not everyone will agree and you better be ready to question your own beliefs. It's a good and healthy exercise. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 17, 2014 6:04:45 GMT -5
There's a solution that is too simple, it's called the Golden Rule. The exercise of that rule is predicated on no repeated moral offense. We might choose to overlook an offense, but a repeated offense must be dealt with properly. Society has an obligation to discipline or quarantine and offender which threatens the common good. No one would be expected to endure repeated sexual advances in the locker room. It's not good for anyone to be allowed to act inappropriately. Again, your inconsistent logic is baffling. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 17, 2014 6:09:20 GMT -5
For the record I utterly reject the notions that: Gay men make advances on straight men in locker rooms. I've never seen or heard (reliably) that it happens. Or that only Christians are capable of following the simple altruistic message of the Golden Rule. Now then, ridicule me at your leisure. For the record, nobody said any of these things, nor has anyone ridiculed you. Also, for the record, I do know that there have been examples of gay men making advances on other men in locker rooms and restrooms. I know of two cases personally, and I knew both of the gay men involved. They worked at the university with me in the 1990's. One of them was a Spanish professor, the other was an engineering instructor. The Spanish professor was a friend of our family for more than 20 years. These advances were rejected by the straight man who felt cornered and called campus police. His case made the local news. The engineering instructor was a member of a Korean campus ministry organization I was involved with. I only knew him for four years. I dunno much about the gay culture and how likely a gay man would hit on a straight guy. People are people, so it could happen. But, so what. Men hit on women all the time at inappropriate moments and have learned to deal with it. |
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Post by thedude on Feb 17, 2014 6:10:27 GMT -5
I never heard of this guy before but like his piece for his acceptance and pointing out how much unsavory behavior is in the NFL. Great commentary about the hypocrisy of what's accepted in the NFL by the teams and the fans. |
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