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Post by lindaw on Mar 3, 2012 22:04:12 GMT -5
That is an interesting article. Brings up some very good points.
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Post by Rhapsody on Mar 6, 2012 21:28:24 GMT -5
I agree---very interesting article. I remember a number of people telling me my first son was ADHD. I decided he was just an active little boy, and refused to take him anywhere to be diagnosed, or perhaps medicated. I still believe I was right. He was just very bright, and always testing the boundaries. I still believe it would have been wrong to have him labeled and medicated so that life might have been a little easier for me.
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Post by naill on Mar 7, 2012 20:43:43 GMT -5
I agree---very interesting article. I remember a number of people telling me my first son was ADHD. I decided he was just an active little boy, and refused to take him anywhere to be diagnosed, or perhaps medicated. I still believe I was right. He was just very bright, and always testing the boundaries. I still believe it would have been wrong to have him labeled and medicated so that life might have been a little easier for me. Good for both of you, Rhapsody.
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Post by donalgdon on Mar 7, 2012 22:05:27 GMT -5
I don't think any reasonable person (at least anyone who doesn't work in the pharmaceutical industry) would argue that American society doesn't have a tendency to over medicate.
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Post by naill on Mar 8, 2012 21:40:35 GMT -5
I don't think any reasonable person (at least anyone who doesn't work in the pharmaceutical industry) would argue that American society doesn't have a tendency to over medicate. You seem to have a problem with pharma. Why?
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Post by thedude on Mar 9, 2012 6:50:11 GMT -5
I don't think any reasonable person (at least anyone who doesn't work in the pharmaceutical industry) would argue that American society doesn't have a tendency to over medicate. Americans have a tendency to overdo everything. It's also one of the most religious societies in western culture. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by donalgdon on Mar 9, 2012 20:35:22 GMT -5
I don't think any reasonable person (at least anyone who doesn't work in the pharmaceutical industry) would argue that American society doesn't have a tendency to over medicate. You seem to have a problem with pharma. Why? Primarily because of the astronomically large number of people they kill and harm for a profit.
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Post by naill on Mar 10, 2012 6:55:08 GMT -5
You seem to have a problem with pharma. Why? Primarily because of the astronomically large number of people they kill and harm for a profit. I was expecting a more balanced/thoughtful response.
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Post by donalgdon on Mar 10, 2012 11:54:23 GMT -5
Primarily because of the astronomically large number of people they kill and harm for a profit. I was expecting a more balanced/thoughtful response. What's more balanced and thoughtful than expecting these physicians to uphold their oath? "First, do no harm," has been perverted into "First, make a profit."
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Post by thedude on Mar 10, 2012 12:58:52 GMT -5
Lots of gross over-generalization going on here....
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Post by donalgdon on Mar 10, 2012 13:15:12 GMT -5
Lots of gross over-generalization going on here.... Do you disagree with the premise? On what grounds? Have you examined, at any time, the total number of deaths by medical mistake, or by "properly" dispensed and administered medications, let alone those improperly dispensed or administered? I know the answer to these questions, otherwise, you'd not likely be so dismissive of the point I'm making.
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Post by naill on Mar 10, 2012 16:11:11 GMT -5
I was expecting a more balanced/thoughtful response. What's more balanced and thoughtful than expecting these physicians to uphold their oath? "First, do no harm," has been perverted into "First, make a profit." Weighing risks versus benefits is always the premise. Medications have improved the lives of almost everyone on the planet who has access. As with any industry, it is not full proof. Also, making a profit is not a four letter word, IMO. More power to them.
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Post by donalgdon on Mar 10, 2012 16:24:06 GMT -5
That's the enduring myth. It's not based on reality, particularly when it comes to the biggest killer versions of infectious diseases, etc. Western medicine is at its best when treating catastrophic injury. Wellness is not part of that picture. It should be, but it's not. The clearest example of that would be something like the standard treatment of Type-2 Diabetes.
Too often, the first line of treatment is to lower the blood sugar by medication, rather than by diet and lifestyle changes, and this kills more people than the diabetes itself, even if left untreated!
I realize most aren't bothered by this, but I am. The establishment is terrible at wellness. It's not healthcare. That's a misnomer. It's sick care, and the industry knows the facts, they just conceal them to the patient's detriment for the sake of profit.
That's morally reprehensible to me.
IF you research the diabetes pandemic that is sweeping the globe right now, you'll see what I'm talking about. It's very clear from the research that these drugs should not be the first line of treatment, and that they probably shouldn't be used at all, yet, they are continually and routinely being used.
Statin drugs are another example. They do more harm than good, yet they make millions in profits.
That troubles me, even if everyone else is okay with it. I think it's deplorable. I'm not opposed to free enterprise or profit. I'm opposed to killing people for money and legally attempting to conceal the evidence, which is precisely what happens on a daily basis with the FDA foxes in charge of the hen house. Their board is filled with industry executives and conflicts of interest, and it ought not be so, but it is.
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Post by thedude on Mar 10, 2012 16:43:37 GMT -5
Lots of gross over-generalization going on here.... Do you disagree with the premise? On what grounds? Have you examined, at any time, the total number of deaths by medical mistake, or by "properly" dispensed and administered medications, let alone those improperly dispensed or administered? I know the answer to these questions, otherwise, you'd not likely be so dismissive of the point I'm making. I'm not dismissive of the point, only the way you are making it. You're over generalizing.
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Post by naill on Mar 10, 2012 17:04:31 GMT -5
Too often, the first line of treatment is to lower the blood sugar by medication, rather than by diet and lifestyle changes, and this kills more people than the diabetes itself, even if left untreated!
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